I placed 2 water bottles on a rock at 130 yards away and wanted to see what my 450 FPE Jack Haley could do at that distance. I was shooting 338.5 grain 457 HP's cast by Sure Fire Slugs. They were travelling 776 FPS on this shot for 452 FPE. It only took 1 shot and needless to say, i was very happy with not only the JH457 but the Sure Fire Slugs. Although i have been shooting Sure Fire Slugs for some time now, this was the first day that i tested these particular bullets. So for them to nail a water bottle dead center on the first shot, IMPRESSED me and sais alot about Jerry and his sons casting abilities. Thanx guys.