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Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 25, 2009 10:17PM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 25, 2009 10:32PM |
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I've copied Kent's post. I've set up this "Sticky" site for us to start with. It will evolve.
We're going to start with the target/rules Kent suggested for the first round. I'll let Kent clear up the questions. I have to find something that will shoot ....
Here we have the cure for the "Cabin Fever" soon to fall upon us all! It's already got me ... with this eternal darkness we live in now from 5:30pm onward! hahah.
Join us.
Gary
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/26/2009 01:21AM by barnespneumatic.
We're going to start with the target/rules Kent suggested for the first round. I'll let Kent clear up the questions. I have to find something that will shoot ....
Here we have the cure for the "Cabin Fever" soon to fall upon us all! It's already got me ... with this eternal darkness we live in now from 5:30pm onward! hahah.
Join us.
Gary
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/26/2009 01:21AM by barnespneumatic.
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 26, 2009 05:17AM |
"eternal darkeness"...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Try sunset at 3:17 
On the positive side, at least we DO get sunshine here from time to time. The folks up in Barrow have 87 days with no sunrise at all starting around this time of year.
On the positive side, at least we DO get sunshine here from time to time. The folks up in Barrow have 87 days with no sunrise at all starting around this time of year.
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 26, 2009 01:38PM |
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You need to consider moving to planet Earth. hahah. 
Sunset at 3 pm ... Lowes two days away .... 50 below for months on end .... golly .... I can't see why EVERYBODY doesn't pack up and move to you town. hahaha.
Gary
Sunset at 3 pm ... Lowes two days away .... 50 below for months on end .... golly .... I can't see why EVERYBODY doesn't pack up and move to you town. hahaha.
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 26, 2009 01:01PM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 27, 2009 12:11AM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 27, 2009 04:50PM |
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OK - I admit to having trouble with everything. However; I can't print this stupid target.
I've killed three trees and used $75 worth of ink ... but nothing is correct. I've found the "turn off headers" ... and set the size to 115%. However; I kept getting the original size target. I then found an "enable shrink to fit" command .... and unclicked it. Then, it would print the thing to nearly the correct size, but the right edge and bottom circles are incomplete. Doesn't fit on the standard paper. What am I missing? I'm the test case for others, whom no doubt, will find the same issues.
Gary
I've killed three trees and used $75 worth of ink ... but nothing is correct. I've found the "turn off headers" ... and set the size to 115%. However; I kept getting the original size target. I then found an "enable shrink to fit" command .... and unclicked it. Then, it would print the thing to nearly the correct size, but the right edge and bottom circles are incomplete. Doesn't fit on the standard paper. What am I missing? I'm the test case for others, whom no doubt, will find the same issues.
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 30, 2009 04:07PM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 30, 2009 08:13PM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 30, 2009 09:09PM |
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HI Kent,
Yeah - I spiked my BP this afternoon with the printer again. It needed ink this time. Then, the paper would just cycle thru and spit out at you - without printing.
Oddly, the margins seemed to be an issue with the program again. When I went to print ... they were still set to the defaults ... so I left them that way. Wrong. The silly thing wants to be in control. Once I re-set them all to zero again ... THEN the PRINTER was in control ... and IT could reset to the same default numbers that had been shown. By Golly ... it wasn't gonna have me set the defaults.
And, eventually, it worked. And, I shot my targets!
Now ... I wait with the masses, until the appointed time to post the scores.
Sure - I'll deal a set ... but I thought there was already somebody in line, unless I read the thread wrong. I'll think up something cunning and devious ... ah HAH ...hahahh...hahahha.
So, seems Kent has shot his targets, I've shot mine, I heard (thru the vine) that Jerry shot his. Anybody else? Jim - you need help with that printer? hahah., And, Dan was all over this ... has that new gun too. I KNOW that Neil and Cedric will rise to the occasion. Common guys. We need some pioneers to take the arrows.
Gary
Yeah - I spiked my BP this afternoon with the printer again. It needed ink this time. Then, the paper would just cycle thru and spit out at you - without printing.
Oddly, the margins seemed to be an issue with the program again. When I went to print ... they were still set to the defaults ... so I left them that way. Wrong. The silly thing wants to be in control. Once I re-set them all to zero again ... THEN the PRINTER was in control ... and IT could reset to the same default numbers that had been shown. By Golly ... it wasn't gonna have me set the defaults.
And, eventually, it worked. And, I shot my targets!
Now ... I wait with the masses, until the appointed time to post the scores.
Sure - I'll deal a set ... but I thought there was already somebody in line, unless I read the thread wrong. I'll think up something cunning and devious ... ah HAH ...hahahh...hahahha.
So, seems Kent has shot his targets, I've shot mine, I heard (thru the vine) that Jerry shot his. Anybody else? Jim - you need help with that printer? hahah., And, Dan was all over this ... has that new gun too. I KNOW that Neil and Cedric will rise to the occasion. Common guys. We need some pioneers to take the arrows.
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 30, 2009 09:10PM |
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Oh ... I shot mine with the 32 Appaloosa and 32 Buckshot.
Gary
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 30, 2009 09:32PM |
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So ... just to be clear (if you check your calanders) ...
We can start posting the targets the day Before my birthday, and continue until six days After my birthday.
Just trying to be as helpful as possible ....
Gary
We can start posting the targets the day Before my birthday, and continue until six days After my birthday.
Just trying to be as helpful as possible ....
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 28, 2009 12:38AM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 28, 2009 02:30PM |
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I'll have to check the "margins" thingie. Mine was cutting off the right side AND the bottom.
I'll see what I can do.
Anybody else trying this? I'm not hearing any printer advice from the "Kinko's" guys out there ... surely they read here too!
Gary
I'll see what I can do.
Anybody else trying this? I'm not hearing any printer advice from the "Kinko's" guys out there ... surely they read here too!
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 28, 2009 04:19PM |
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OK ... that cured it and I got a clean target. You have to take off the pre-sets in "Margins". It will keep a minimum default top and bottom .... but it will reset the left and right margins to .013
So; that was BEFORE you hit print .... you pull down the arrow to the right of the printer icon. Go to Print Preview. Take off the Headers/Footers. Deselect the "shrink to fit" box .... deselect the pre-set margins .... and set the size to 115%. Simple!.gif "more innocent")
Now, Kent .... I think it would be real nice for us to post a digital pic of our completed target for score. Going to show more drama than a simple number.
Gary
So; that was BEFORE you hit print .... you pull down the arrow to the right of the printer icon. Go to Print Preview. Take off the Headers/Footers. Deselect the "shrink to fit" box .... deselect the pre-set margins .... and set the size to 115%. Simple!
Now, Kent .... I think it would be real nice for us to post a digital pic of our completed target for score. Going to show more drama than a simple number.
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 28, 2009 11:22PM |
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Well, the joke's on me.
I finally got the target printed properly. I thought I'd enter the contest with my ball reservoir 34 caliber. I've never cut molds for slugs for that experimental barrel. I just used what I've named "Buck Ball". Run an oversized buckshot thru a sizing die of proper size. I had some in a tin that I used to sight in. The gun is unfinished, and just has my laughable aluminum, brass shim stock, and aluminum tape sights on it. However; it's pretty accurate that way.
All ready to have a relaxing session ... now ... where's that bag of .350" buckshot? Hummmm .... And ... that continued (while I worked) for the rest of the day. It's well and truely hidden. Not in the shop, truck, or War Wagon. I suspect Jerry hid it last visit!
So - I have a fine target ... but no lead.
This will change.
Gary
I finally got the target printed properly. I thought I'd enter the contest with my ball reservoir 34 caliber. I've never cut molds for slugs for that experimental barrel. I just used what I've named "Buck Ball". Run an oversized buckshot thru a sizing die of proper size. I had some in a tin that I used to sight in. The gun is unfinished, and just has my laughable aluminum, brass shim stock, and aluminum tape sights on it. However; it's pretty accurate that way.
All ready to have a relaxing session ... now ... where's that bag of .350" buckshot? Hummmm .... And ... that continued (while I worked) for the rest of the day. It's well and truely hidden. Not in the shop, truck, or War Wagon. I suspect Jerry hid it last visit!
So - I have a fine target ... but no lead.
This will change.
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 29, 2009 12:50AM |
I wouldn't think of just posting just a score!!! Now I am going to wait until Friday to start posting my targets for this "deal". That's also when the new dealer lets us know what the new game is. Have we determined who's playing and who's next dealer? 
I will post my setup for the shoot now.
This is my new target holder. Gary had suggested I buy these real estate signs, if I remember correctly, and I've made it portable and stable on the concrete.
I painted the 10 yd lines at the target and bench on the concrete as well. Now all I have to do is remember to open the door and not shoot anyone driving up the driveway..
Kent
Now I am going to wait until Friday to start posting my targets for this "deal". That's also when the new dealer lets us know what the new game is. Have we determined who's playing and who's next dealer?
I will post my setup for the shoot now.
This is my new target holder. Gary had suggested I buy these real estate signs, if I remember correctly, and I've made it portable and stable on the concrete.
I painted the 10 yd lines at the target and bench on the concrete as well. Now all I have to do is remember to open the door and not shoot anyone driving up the driveway..
Kent
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! November 29, 2009 03:21PM |
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Actually, if you remember .... I had suggested that you buy me about 50 acres .... and then you could KEEP the real estate sign as a target frame! Also - no fair going that far into the future, and probably using technology that the rest of us won't have access to for fifteen years!
Anyway ... looks like you razored out the target and the backer. Hummm. I suspect a good score. And, I was gonna use my little antique gun. Hummmm ....
Gotta fine something ... put some glass on it ....
Gary
Ah ... I can't help but notice that this has developed into a rousing conversation between Kent and I. Notice that Kent didn't set up any bleecher seats .... hummmm. Common guys .... Airguns ... you know ... pellets ... holes in paper .... remember?????
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Also - no fair going that far into the future, and probably using technology that the rest of us won't have access to for fifteen years!
Anyway ... looks like you razored out the target and the backer. Hummm. I suspect a good score. And, I was gonna use my little antique gun. Hummmm ....
Gotta fine something ... put some glass on it ....
Gary
Ah ... I can't help but notice that this has developed into a rousing conversation between Kent and I. Notice that Kent didn't set up any bleecher seats .... hummmm. Common guys .... Airguns ... you know ... pellets ... holes in paper .... remember?????
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 01, 2009 02:55PM |
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Took a few pics while shooting: We'd sure enjoy seeing your pics too.
My 32 Appaloosa (which I purchased off the net). I get beat up so much about my scopes ... I recalled that I had an old Burris Signature 8 by 32 scope. I mounted it in a pr. of Barnes scope rings. Worked pretty well. Although, I couldn't get a setting where the crosshairs were ON at 10 yards.
I had to use the intersection of the vertical post, and the bottom curve of the sight picture. That was on at 32X. Everything doesn't have to be perfect - just repeatable. To use this scope for this close range, I'd need a different set of rings, or different front barrel mount.
My shop bullet trap for small bore. Welded steel, and backed up by a steel shield, and steel covered wall. Of course ... anyone who shoots airguns, will have some version of a trap, or location where a trap is not needed.
Knocked together table top (attached to the top of one work bench with one screw) and has one folding peg leg on a hinge. As per Kent's directions, I rested the front of the gun on the bags, and held the rear of the gun manually.
Recovered buckshot ball from the sand trap. The back of my trap is sloping - and deflects the ball into about an inch of sand (and previous lead) in the bottom tray.
Something that may help others. You can't make every projectile blast a perfectly round edge to edge caliber hole in a paper target. Give yourself credit for your shot. Even though I printed my targets on card stock to get a better print. Therefore; on a shot like this ... use a dial caliber, etc., set at one half of your caliber. Put one point at the center of your strike.
Half of my caliber (.320" divided by 2 = .160") held at the center of the strike ... clearly puts the edge of caliber inside the white of the circle. A perfect waddcutter would have printed far better.
Caliper set to full caliber - .320"
I hope some of you very quiet readers, are also shooting at home. This was surely the perfect set-up. 10 yards, with any gun ... pretty minimum equipment specs. for anyone who says airguns are a hobby of theirs. Hope to see a bunch of targets in a few days! 
Gary
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/01/2009 03:37PM by barnespneumatic.
My 32 Appaloosa (which I purchased off the net). I get beat up so much about my scopes ... I recalled that I had an old Burris Signature 8 by 32 scope. I mounted it in a pr. of Barnes scope rings. Worked pretty well. Although, I couldn't get a setting where the crosshairs were ON at 10 yards.
I had to use the intersection of the vertical post, and the bottom curve of the sight picture.
That was on at 32X. Everything doesn't have to be perfect - just repeatable. To use this scope for this close range, I'd need a different set of rings, or different front barrel mount.
My shop bullet trap for small bore. Welded steel, and backed up by a steel shield, and steel covered wall. Of course ... anyone who shoots airguns, will have some version of a trap, or location where a trap is not needed.
Knocked together table top (attached to the top of one work bench with one screw) and has one folding peg leg on a hinge. As per Kent's directions, I rested the front of the gun on the bags, and held the rear of the gun manually.
Recovered buckshot ball from the sand trap. The back of my trap is sloping - and deflects the ball into about an inch of sand (and previous lead) in the bottom tray.
Something that may help others. You can't make every projectile blast a perfectly round edge to edge caliber hole in a paper target. Give yourself credit for your shot. Even though I printed my targets on card stock to get a better print. Therefore; on a shot like this ... use a dial caliber, etc., set at one half of your caliber. Put one point at the center of your strike.
Half of my caliber (.320" divided by 2 = .160") held at the center of the strike ... clearly puts the edge of caliber inside the white of the circle. A perfect waddcutter would have printed far better.
Caliper set to full caliber - .320"
I hope some of you very quiet readers, are also shooting at home. This was surely the perfect set-up. 10 yards, with any gun ... pretty minimum equipment specs. for anyone who says airguns are a hobby of theirs.
Hope to see a bunch of targets in a few days!
Gary
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/01/2009 03:37PM by barnespneumatic.
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 01, 2009 11:35PM |
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Hmmmm... a little competition and suddenly there's no Simmons shotgun scope to be found but a 32x sniper scope in custom rings appears! Someone is SO busted! Here I was making do with a 3-12x Leapers... I may need to shoot another target with the P3 and dial the scope up to 50x! I wonder how many wadcutters I have in stock?
I wonder how many wadcutters I have in stock?
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 01, 2009 11:57PM |
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Hey - those rings were in the "scope ring drawer" when we mounted the bent up Center Point - somehow their chrome brillance hide them from us.
I was happy to shoot the target with aluminum tape sights ... until SOMEONE hid the .350" buckshot!
P3 and 50X .... so; yer sayin' ... ya feel a NEED to BETTER your score .... hehehhehe ....
Gary
I was happy to shoot the target with aluminum tape sights ... until SOMEONE hid the .350" buckshot!
P3 and 50X .... so; yer sayin' ... ya feel a NEED to BETTER your score .... hehehhehe ....
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 02, 2009 08:25AM |
Yup, it looks like 'ol Gary has been holding out on us, scope-wise.
If someone puts up some serious competition, he'll probably whip out some fancy Euro-glass the same size and magnification as the Hubble telescope and fab up some custom rings. "Hey, look what I just found in a drawer"
Yeah, right...we're keeping an eye on you, mister!
If someone puts up some serious competition, he'll probably whip out some fancy Euro-glass the same size and magnification as the Hubble telescope and fab up some custom rings. "Hey, look what I just found in a drawer"
Yeah, right...we're keeping an eye on you, mister!
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 02, 2009 02:19PM |
What Gary, that fancy scope is to nice to shim to get it sighted in at 10 yd? Or don't you have an old aluminum coke can around that shop?
And now we've broken out the caliper to score the target? I may have to borrow "Bubba's" caliper, but I think that might short me a couple of thousands, IIRC.
To tell the truth, I contact cemented my targets to card stock as well. But I didn't find the calipers necessary, I let you interpret this statement. It will all be clear on Friday's target postings!
Gary, is your fancy bench bolted into the war wagon?
Kent
And now we've broken out the caliper to score the target? I may have to borrow "Bubba's" caliper, but I think that might short me a couple of thousands, IIRC.
To tell the truth, I contact cemented my targets to card stock as well. But I didn't find the calipers necessary, I let you interpret this statement. It will all be clear on Friday's target postings!
Gary, is your fancy bench bolted into the war wagon?
Kent
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 02, 2009 02:51PM |
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Here we are, trying to encourage the readers to jump into our little game here. And ... I get chewed up to a mere husk ... after posting a wealth of information ... out of the GOODNESS of my HEART!!!
Just so I don't get my knees broken ... I made those scope rings, several years ago, to put a scope on the Nautilus. And, since they are two pc., split top to bottom ... you cannot shim that type of ring. So there!
There's no room to set up my collapsable bench in the shop. This little version, when anchored to the work bench, was enough - and will store aside with the leg folded.
I put this scope in a case, years ago, cause I thought it suggested it had a problem with wandering around on the target. I've been moving stuff all over the shop, moved the case and recalled the scope. Thought I'd try it. And, what do I get ... HEARTACHE!!!
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 02, 2009 10:38PM |
Don't tell Julio you can't shim that style of ring or he'll take apart the Caribou rings and never get it on at 50yds. I shimmed his Werne split rings with a ribbon of AL from a can. Worked great. Now you can tell me how I ruined the scope, just don't tell him.
I did a little scope rigging on my own gun as well. With the next round I'll be shooting the Rendezvous 25 (sexiestairgun ever made) which has the "non adjustable" parallax 1.5x 6 Pentax. Well don't believe everything you read. If you screw off the objective endcap you can then adjust the parallax to what ever you want. In this case instead of 100yds, I brought it in closer to 30yd. Now I can use the scope for what I intended it for a max 50 yd squirrel gun or 10 yrd indoor popper. Makes a big difference in what you see at 10 yds.
Kent
I shimmed his Werne split rings with a ribbon of AL from a can. Worked great. Now you can tell me how I ruined the scope, just don't tell him.
I did a little scope rigging on my own gun as well. With the next round I'll be shooting the Rendezvous 25 (sexiest
airgun ever made) which has the "non adjustable" parallax 1.5x 6 Pentax. Well don't believe everything you read. If you screw off the objective endcap you can then adjust the parallax to what ever you want. In this case instead of 100yds, I brought it in closer to 30yd. Now I can use the scope for what I intended it for a max 50 yd squirrel gun or 10 yrd indoor popper. Makes a big difference in what you see at 10 yds.
Kent
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 02, 2009 11:06PM |
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Yes, yes, yes ... but what about the Salmon? hahahhah. Couldn't resist ....
Hey - well maybe old "Werne" makes his 1" ring diameter something bigger than 1" ... but Barnes is way too smart for that! ha.
Neat about the objective lens and parallex adjust. So - you screw off the objective end cap. What's that end cap for? Obviously, there's something else that holds the lens in and holds gas pressure. Are there actual markings under there, etc.? I wonder about their 4 by 12 scopes. See them often for sale in Sportsman's Guide.
Might just go do a bit of shop shooting ... on a windy rainy night ... now that the shop's roof has had all this labor lavished upon it!
Gary
hahahhah. Couldn't resist ....
Hey - well maybe old "Werne" makes his 1" ring diameter something bigger than 1" ... but Barnes is way too smart for that! ha.
Neat about the objective lens and parallex adjust. So - you screw off the objective end cap. What's that end cap for? Obviously, there's something else that holds the lens in and holds gas pressure. Are there actual markings under there, etc.? I wonder about their 4 by 12 scopes. See them often for sale in Sportsman's Guide.
Might just go do a bit of shop shooting ... on a windy rainy night ... now that the shop's roof has had all this labor lavished upon it!
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 02, 2009 11:36PM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 03, 2009 02:15PM |
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OK, now you've got me going. Are you asserting that the internal nitrogen pressure, against the rear of the objective, allows the lens to dislocate from it's seated position, and "follow" the lens locking ring in and out, while remaining sealed? What, on earth, ever made you think of trying that? Was it the same day you invented "teflon patched" slugs? 
Gary
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 03, 2009 04:00PM |
It wasn't the same day, but I was drinking the same beer!
This is the first non-adjustable scope I've adjusted. My point is all my scopes with the adjustable objective just turn in and out on what seems to be the same threaded mount. Even if there are a couple of O-rings I'm not seeing, do you feel that those would maintain the N seal over this many years vs a lens sitting a a fine threaded greased mount being screwed out a turn or two?
I like the smilie hieroglyphics, can you interpret these?
Translate "Anesthesia is not as easy as it looks." , M. Jackson
Kent
This is the first non-adjustable scope I've adjusted. My point is all my scopes with the adjustable objective just turn in and out on what seems to be the same threaded mount. Even if there are a couple of O-rings I'm not seeing, do you feel that those would maintain the N seal over this many years vs a lens sitting a a fine threaded greased mount being screwed out a turn or two?
I like the smilie hieroglyphics, can you interpret these?
Translate "Anesthesia is not as easy as it looks." , M. Jackson
Kent
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 03, 2009 08:20PM |
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Ah .... I think there must be something in the Salmon you and Sean have been smokin' ... 
Now Kent, you can take apart any of your scopes you want, that's fine. However; a "seat" and locking ring, would usually suggest a fixed position, fixed alignment, and backing off a locking ring, would usually produce a "loose" condition. I'm just learning from the master here. If the lens followed the ring outward, and the seal was maintained, then it means the O ring must have also followed the glass, and still found an outer surface to seal against. Good job if it stays. Interesting.
Old Doc Marino taught me a neat one once, as well. He'd purchased an older Leupold. It's objective was fixed at about a mile or something like that, IIRC. Well, having done a stint with lasers and optics, etc., he just took his objective lens cover, and drilled a pin hole in it. Leaving the cover on, the scope would then clearly focus to ten yards or less. Neat.
Want another one? Well, if you are like me, and can see like an eagle at distance, but can't focus us close without corrective lenses, try this. With your glasses off, close your thumb up against your forefinger, and create a very tiny hole you can see between the two (in the skin fold). Now, with your hand up against your eye, look thru that hole you created, and you will be able to read the most tiny print - without your glasses. Handy at night ... when checking med. flasks.
No - don't thank me ... just go forth ... enriched.
haha.
Gary
Now Kent, you can take apart any of your scopes you want, that's fine.
However; a "seat" and locking ring, would usually suggest a fixed position, fixed alignment, and backing off a locking ring, would usually produce a "loose" condition. I'm just learning from the master here. If the lens followed the ring outward, and the seal was maintained, then it means the O ring must have also followed the glass, and still found an outer surface to seal against. Good job if it stays. Interesting.
Old Doc Marino taught me a neat one once, as well. He'd purchased an older Leupold. It's objective was fixed at about a mile or something like that, IIRC. Well, having done a stint with lasers and optics, etc., he just took his objective lens cover, and drilled a pin hole in it. Leaving the cover on, the scope would then clearly focus to ten yards or less. Neat.
Want another one? Well, if you are like me, and can see like an eagle at distance, but can't focus us close without corrective lenses, try this. With your glasses off, close your thumb up against your forefinger, and create a very tiny hole you can see between the two (in the skin fold). Now, with your hand up against your eye, look thru that hole you created, and you will be able to read the most tiny print - without your glasses. Handy at night ... when checking med. flasks.
No - don't thank me ... just go forth ... enriched.
haha.
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 03, 2009 10:23PM |
Well I've got my best micro bit out and running my rechargeable drill as fast a it will go and I can't get it to bite the lens squarely in the center. It just keeps walking "down" the lens to the edge leaving a curly que scratch....Ohh the COVER not the lens right? I should pay closer attention to the details. So now I'm polishing my lens with 5F Stock polish and when I look at the Ballistic Bear he seems to be on the other side of a fun house mirror. Do you think Doc Marino would have any suggestions or should I give the Hubble people a call, you know they sweat the details after that 'ol metric vs SAE thingy with their lens.
Cool fix with the pin hole lens, Doc!
My lens is not loose, just popular! It is solidly held by the lock ring when it is screwed back on. Now if anyone is thinking of doing the same, doubtful, just remember this makes the 10-50yd targets crisp but the 100yd targets a little fuzzy. With this gun it is just the ticket as you can see the wiskers on the squirrel at 20 yds. Of course, you can always just return the lens to its prior position.
Let's not forget, the real reason for having an adjustable objective is to place the reticle in the same optical plane as the target. WHAT? If your reticle is not in the same plane then any movement of your eye in relation to the scope will move the apparent point of impact,crosshair, on the target and therefore the actual point of impact will not be at the crosshair. Try securing your rifle in a rest with the crosshair on the bull. Now without touching the rifle move your head up and down and watch what happens to the "apparent point of impact" if it moves in relation to the target they are not in the same plane. Now either change the parralax adjustment or move the target distance and note if there is a change with head movement. If the scope is setup correctly when the target is in focus it will be in the same plane as the reticle.
Boy, that was rich err... enriching,
Kent
Cool fix with the pin hole lens, Doc!
My lens is not loose, just popular!
It is solidly held by the lock ring when it is screwed back on. Now if anyone is thinking of doing the same, doubtful, just remember this makes the 10-50yd targets crisp but the 100yd targets a little fuzzy. With this gun it is just the ticket as you can see the wiskers on the squirrel at 20 yds. Of course, you can always just return the lens to its prior position.
Let's not forget, the real reason for having an adjustable objective is to place the reticle in the same optical plane as the target. WHAT? If your reticle is not in the same plane then any movement of your eye in relation to the scope will move the apparent point of impact,crosshair, on the target and therefore the actual point of impact will not be at the crosshair. Try securing your rifle in a rest with the crosshair on the bull. Now without touching the rifle move your head up and down and watch what happens to the "apparent point of impact" if it moves in relation to the target they are not in the same plane. Now either change the parralax adjustment or move the target distance and note if there is a change with head movement. If the scope is setup correctly when the target is in focus it will be in the same plane as the reticle.
Boy, that was rich err... enriching,
Kent
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 04, 2009 12:01AM |
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Yeah ... Ah ... I had to hit the "home" button on the keyboard ... but ... there it was ... "Dealer's Choice" ... The Forum Shooting Competition.
So; is anyone shooting this with Kent, Jerry, and myself? We post targets tomorrow, ya know.
Had I been counting, I'd have noted that I responded to this thread 18 times. Kent ... 9 or 10 times.
It's more fun, for me, to see some regular discussion .. rather than just have ya all lay back and spring your targets. What are you guys shooting the targets with? What pellets? What scopes?
Part of this contest has been the sheer number of shots in a row. A fatigue sets in just as the targets are getting smaller and smaller.
What have you found?
Gary
So; is anyone shooting this with Kent, Jerry, and myself? We post targets tomorrow, ya know.
Had I been counting, I'd have noted that I responded to this thread 18 times. Kent ... 9 or 10 times.
It's more fun, for me, to see some regular discussion .. rather than just have ya all lay back and spring your targets. What are you guys shooting the targets with? What pellets? What scopes?
Part of this contest has been the sheer number of shots in a row. A fatigue sets in just as the targets are getting smaller and smaller.
What have you found?
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 04, 2009 12:06AM |
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You have to "Center Punch" the lens first silly!
And, I told you those faux fur 100 yard targets were fuzzy before. .....
And, I told you those faux fur 100 yard targets were fuzzy before. .....
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 04, 2009 01:22AM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 04, 2009 03:56AM |
Hey Jerry, Surefire must be slap full of orders for even you to be shooting lowly ball! I think it interesting that so far we have three guns shooting round ball (buckshot to be exact). Gary's calipers may be very important with these round nosed projectiles, thanks Gary! IIRC the 32 ball holes, including the oil marks, were smaller than the 25 Kodiak holes.
I'm looking at the clock and you right coast shooters will be able to post in a few minutes. Heck, I bet your tapping away at the keyboard right now.
Kent
I think it interesting that so far we have three guns shooting round ball (buckshot to be exact). Gary's calipers may be very important with these round nosed projectiles, thanks Gary! IIRC the 32 ball holes, including the oil marks, were smaller than the 25 Kodiak holes.
I'm looking at the clock and you right coast shooters will be able to post in a few minutes. Heck, I bet your tapping away at the keyboard right now.
Kent
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 04, 2009 02:10PM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 04, 2009 06:33AM |
lemme guess...Quigly down under?
And I'm guessing that the groups get smaller because you're getting better as you go. If you practiced with another target first, the group size should stay the same once you've reached your skill "plateau", right before fatigue starts becoming an issue.
Or, as seems to be the case with the bailout of the financial sector, I could be totally wrong.
And I'm guessing that the groups get smaller because you're getting better as you go. If you practiced with another target first, the group size should stay the same once you've reached your skill "plateau", right before fatigue starts becoming an issue.
Or, as seems to be the case with the bailout of the financial sector, I could be totally wrong.
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 04, 2009 05:28PM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 04, 2009 03:51PM |
Gary,
Next round I'm also going to use the slugs in the Victory. Should cut a sharper hole, more accurate?, we'll see.
Rotor,
My thought was also Quigley, I can picture Magnum drawling that out as he squeezes the trigger at the black hat dude galloping away at 400 yds. It's also something most of us who have been shooting for a while have heard here and there. Even applies to shotguning. Shoot at the whole pheasant and you'll be eating tail feathers, aim for the white ring and it's critter gumbo for Christmas!
I think it has to do with our "lazy" nature, An organism is design to just meet a standard, so if the standard is to just hit the BIG Target we have a internal standard that allows for an "acceptable" miss ratio. If we reset our standard to hit a SMALL Target the same "acceptable" miss ratio will have us hitting the BIG Target every time. Some people would dispute this theory of mine but be honest and see if you don't follow this trend. Now this is just the NORMAL. Those who fail to have an internal "acceptable" miss ratio, are doomed to a life of perfection and building of ....
Applying a psychology minor on a daily basis and accepting of his own failure rate,
Kent
Next round I'm also going to use the slugs in the Victory. Should cut a sharper hole, more accurate?, we'll see.
Rotor,
My thought was also Quigley, I can picture Magnum drawling that out as he squeezes the trigger at the black hat dude galloping away at 400 yds. It's also something most of us who have been shooting for a while have heard here and there. Even applies to shotguning. Shoot at the whole pheasant and you'll be eating tail feathers, aim for the white ring and it's critter gumbo for Christmas!
I think it has to do with our "lazy" nature, An organism is design to just meet a standard, so if the standard is to just hit the BIG Target we have a internal standard that allows for an "acceptable" miss ratio. If we reset our standard to hit a SMALL Target the same "acceptable" miss ratio will have us hitting the BIG Target every time. Some people would dispute this theory of mine but be honest and see if you don't follow this trend. Now this is just the NORMAL. Those who fail to have an internal "acceptable" miss ratio, are doomed to a life of perfection and building of ....
Applying a psychology minor on a daily basis and accepting of his own failure rate,
Kent
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 04, 2009 05:21PM |
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Oh sure ... kick the old guy the day before his "Senior Citizen" birthday! And, now that I am finally eligable for my senior discount at Burger King, I don't do fast food anymore. Story of my life.
"Doomed to building" ... you got it.
Hey - common, YOU too are one of those guys that NOTICE that the brakes sound a bit .... "funny" ... or the tires are worn, and check them out. Life's a Roller Coaster. Some go thru life with their hands in the air screaming ... "Wheeeee.......ehhhh!!!!". Others are just on the "ride" because the kids wanted to go. And then, there are the "maintenance guys" ... that are always watching, and listening ... and trying to make sure the other two types (and themselves) don't get hurt.
Yeah ... the slugs are more accurate than the ball. However; the story isn't that clean ... cause the aim point for the ball was the bottom of the scope curvature. Still; with the centered scope, and the slugs, the stacked targets show far better groups.
So; I'm not seeing any targets. Is everybody waiting for Kent, Jerry, and Gary ... or, aren't there any other targets? I sure hope that's not the case.
Ya know ... it really doesn't take much to keep a bit of a spark going. Makes something I find myself thinking about, and even looking forward to. A few holes in some paper. Some company on a coffee break ... someplace where you won't get verbally beat up for trying to participate. But, the opposite is true too. Silence isn't golden ... it's just depressing, when you've gone to alot of effort to try to create some fun and entertainment.
One of the reasons I've tried to get some conversation going here, is that; you can LEARN how to shoot well ... if you discuss the process. If you'll never participate in anything that you can't win at, then .... then you get a culture much like we seem to have today. Where ... everybody gets a "participation trophy". Hey ... you don't see me whining about NOT getting a TROPHY at the Mississippi Shoot .... ... do ya??? I mean, heck, I shot the pants off those guys. For PITTTTY saake .... I even BUILT the guns they were shooting!! 
AND ... I didn't get ONE STINKING little lousy TROPHY!!!! But ... you see, I'm not upset. I still participated. I was there for the team ... Wouldn't think of being a drag on the whole thing ... just because I didn't get NOTHING@!!! So; common ... shoot a target or two. It'll make you a better person ... even if you don't win the STINKING trophy.
GAry
"Doomed to building" ... you got it.
Hey - common, YOU too are one of those guys that NOTICE that the brakes sound a bit .... "funny" ... or the tires are worn, and check them out. Life's a Roller Coaster. Some go thru life with their hands in the air screaming ... "Wheeeee.......ehhhh!!!!". Others are just on the "ride" because the kids wanted to go. And then, there are the "maintenance guys" ... that are always watching, and listening ... and trying to make sure the other two types (and themselves) don't get hurt.
Yeah ... the slugs are more accurate than the ball. However; the story isn't that clean ... cause the aim point for the ball was the bottom of the scope curvature. Still; with the centered scope, and the slugs, the stacked targets show far better groups.
So; I'm not seeing any targets. Is everybody waiting for Kent, Jerry, and Gary ... or, aren't there any other targets? I sure hope that's not the case.
Ya know ... it really doesn't take much to keep a bit of a spark going. Makes something I find myself thinking about, and even looking forward to. A few holes in some paper. Some company on a coffee break ... someplace where you won't get verbally beat up for trying to participate. But, the opposite is true too. Silence isn't golden ... it's just depressing, when you've gone to alot of effort to try to create some fun and entertainment.
One of the reasons I've tried to get some conversation going here, is that; you can LEARN how to shoot well ... if you discuss the process. If you'll never participate in anything that you can't win at, then .... then you get a culture much like we seem to have today. Where ... everybody gets a "participation trophy". Hey ... you don't see me whining about NOT getting a TROPHY at the Mississippi Shoot ....
... do ya??? I mean, heck, I shot the pants off those guys. For PITTTTY saake .... I even BUILT the guns they were shooting!! AND ... I didn't get ONE STINKING little lousy TROPHY!!!! But ... you see, I'm not upset. I still participated. I was there for the team ... Wouldn't think of being a drag on the whole thing ... just because I didn't get NOTHING@!!! So; common ... shoot a target or two. It'll make you a better person ... even if you don't win the STINKING trophy.
GAry
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 04, 2009 10:36PM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 04, 2009 10:52PM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 05, 2009 04:46AM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 05, 2009 01:41PM |
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Kent!
You sly devil .... HOW did you know???!!
Thanks Buddy
Gary
You sly devil .... HOW did you know???!!
Thanks Buddy
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 07, 2009 05:14AM |
Do we have a smiley that's dropping an anvil? Representing of course the dropping of "subtle" hints
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 07, 2009 02:44PM |
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Hey Rotor,
And ... you see how effective those brutally subtle hints are. Or the asking, explaining, fussing, whining, or begging. The place is "bullet proof" in a unique new way.
In order for this to be a warm, cozy pub for everybody to relax in .... a few of us have to chop the wood, feed the fire, and carry the ashes. Doesn't seem to bother anyone. Must figure we owe it.
Sure would be nice for someone else to lay a stick on the fire. Thanks for your posts Rotor.
Gary
And ... you see how effective those brutally subtle hints are. Or the asking, explaining, fussing, whining, or begging. The place is "bullet proof" in a unique new way.
In order for this to be a warm, cozy pub for everybody to relax in
.... a few of us have to chop the wood, feed the fire, and carry the ashes. Doesn't seem to bother anyone. Must figure we owe it.
Sure would be nice for someone else to lay a stick on the fire. Thanks for your posts Rotor.
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 08, 2009 07:10AM |
Now c'mon Gary...lets be realistic.
You actually have to plant the forest, thin the trees, fix the logging truck, sharpen the chainsaw, fell and season the timber, buck it up into rounds, split and stack the cordwood, fabricate your own stove, and gin up a new stovepipe with a damper. THEN...you get to start the fire so you can have some ashes to clean out later on.
I just show up from time to time to poke at the fire and hint at how nice it would be if you were to build ME a stove, since you have all that spare time on your hands.
You actually have to plant the forest, thin the trees, fix the logging truck, sharpen the chainsaw, fell and season the timber, buck it up into rounds, split and stack the cordwood, fabricate your own stove, and gin up a new stovepipe with a damper. THEN...you get to start the fire so you can have some ashes to clean out later on.
I just show up from time to time to poke at the fire and hint at how nice it would be if you were to build ME a stove, since you have all that spare time on your hands.
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 10, 2009 05:42PM |
Guess what I saw. I was watching a sniper competition on TV, (because I don't have a new target to shoot at) and low and behold I saw a dot of light coming thru the front lens cover on one of their guns! Now they had already shown them covering their objectives with 100mph tape (duct tape) leaving a horizontal opening to hide lens flash, so I come to the conclusion that this must be "Doc's" pinhole lens available for immediate use. I think it's so neat because I probably never would have "seen" it had we not discussed it here. Makes you wonder what else we miss in our ignorance.
"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right." Thomas Paine
Spread knowledge, it is our greatest weapon,
Kent
"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right."
Thomas Paine
Spread knowledge, it is our greatest weapon,
Kent
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 10, 2009 06:30PM |
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Oh Gosh oh Golly!
You mean ... my life hasn't been a complete waste???? hahah.
That's neat.
I also noticed, years ago (on the Nautilus) ... that I could have the Peep sights mounted, right up in front of the scope objective .... and the thing was invisible. Wasn't in focus ... wasn't there. Odd.
Well, I'll have to go duct tape some scopes!
Target ... right ....
Gary
You mean ... my life hasn't been a complete waste???? hahah.
That's neat.
I also noticed, years ago (on the Nautilus) ... that I could have the Peep sights mounted, right up in front of the scope objective .... and the thing was invisible. Wasn't in focus ... wasn't there. Odd.
Well, I'll have to go duct tape some scopes!
Target ... right ....
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 11, 2009 08:32PM |
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I have a new game page made up. I'm not familiar with posting document pages for print.
OK ... let's try this.
Can you get it? Can you print it full page?
Gary
OK ... let's try this.
Can you get it? Can you print it full page?
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 11, 2009 09:22PM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 12, 2009 12:42AM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! December 12, 2009 03:38AM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! January 03, 2010 07:40PM |
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Now that Jerry kicked the forum into hosting .pdf files, who's gonna deal a target next. It's easy to post now, so we can all download and print.
Hey - what happened to those Marauder Crossman guns out there? Didn't we have a flurry of discussion when some of ya'll bought them? They need exercising ya know.
Gary
Hey - what happened to those Marauder Crossman guns out there? Didn't we have a flurry of discussion when some of ya'll bought them? They need exercising ya know.
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! January 03, 2010 11:58PM |
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What? I've hardly seen any of the last deal shot! Where are the shooters? and the new smilies?
and the new smilies?
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! January 04, 2010 02:29PM |
Jerry,
I've got one shot but not scanned yet. After I shot it I read the details in the rules and noticed that I hadn't adjusted for the flame. I'm going to post it just the same and shoot another with a different gun. This is a tough one!
Kent
I've got one shot but not scanned yet. After I shot it I read the details in the rules and noticed that I hadn't adjusted for the flame. I'm going to post it just the same and shoot another with a different gun. This is a tough one!
Kent
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Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 12, 2009 01:05PM |
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I finally found out how to post the target so you can retrieve and copy it. Sorry it took me so long.
Hope you enjoy the target. It's sort of similar to REAL targets iin the real world. There's no bull's eye on real target items. And, you often have to avoid an obstruction or overlook a distraction. That was my idea in designing this target. You shoot for the "negative space". Enjoy, and good luck!
Gary
http://www.glbarnes.com/scan0001.pdf
On the original, the top left box is just a shade over 1 5/16ths wide.
Thanks for the info. Jim ... I was trying to make it harder than it is. The key was linking to it (without) having it embedded into a page.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2009 01:10PM by barnespneumatic.
Hope you enjoy the target. It's sort of similar to REAL targets iin the real world. There's no bull's eye on real target items. And, you often have to avoid an obstruction or overlook a distraction. That was my idea in designing this target. You shoot for the "negative space". Enjoy, and good luck!
Gary
http://www.glbarnes.com/scan0001.pdf
On the original, the top left box is just a shade over 1 5/16ths wide.
Thanks for the info. Jim ... I was trying to make it harder than it is. The key was linking to it (without) having it embedded into a page.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2009 01:10PM by barnespneumatic.
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 12, 2009 03:48PM |
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Looks good . . . I was able to get to it no problem, and printing at 100% seems to give me a correctly-sized target. PDF is in general more desirable than raw images like JPEGs for these sorts of things . . . more portable and generally easier to print more accurately on different platforms etc.
I just had to do the same thing for a guy in Texas the other day, except his PDFs were 700 MBs of Pratt & Whitney engine manuals we digitized.
That took a little while to download . . .
-- Jim
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 12, 2009 04:56PM |
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Well, when we get to publishing the 1,000 yard targets, we'll have bigger files too!
Soooo ... you printed the target ... and you have that fancy new Crossman all scoped and sighted in .... hummmmm Dude! YOU are set up for a winter indoor basement coffee break! haha.
Thanks for the tip. I knew the hours of hair pulling were futile ... but I couldn't get any feedback ... and it was nagging me. I knew it just had to be something simple I wasn't realizing.
Gary
Soooo ... you printed the target ... and you have that fancy new Crossman all scoped and sighted in .... hummmmm
Dude! YOU are set up for a winter indoor basement coffee break! haha.
Thanks for the tip. I knew the hours of hair pulling were futile ... but I couldn't get any feedback ... and it was nagging me. I knew it just had to be something simple I wasn't realizing.
Gary
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 13, 2009 05:00AM |
Joe,
Here's what I did. I rested only the forearm on a bag and held the butt. I called a miss any hole which the border line past thru the center of the bullet hole. I shot the first target with a 22 ca; Falcon FN12 in rifle format with 24X scope, sound supression.
The second target was shot with a Barnes Rendezvous 25 with 6X scope, shooting Kodiak pellets, same hold.
I'll follow up with pics for both guns tomorrow.
The red X denotes misses. We still use RED for correction here as our self esteem is not so tender as to require PURPLE as in the public school system.
The larger the grind stone of failure the finer the flour for future success,
Kent
Here's what I did. I rested only the forearm on a bag and held the butt. I called a miss any hole which the border line past thru the center of the bullet hole. I shot the first target with a 22 ca; Falcon FN12 in rifle format with 24X scope, sound supression.
The second target was shot with a Barnes Rendezvous 25 with 6X scope, shooting Kodiak pellets, same hold.
I'll follow up with pics for both guns tomorrow.
The red X denotes misses. We still use RED for correction here as our self esteem is not so tender as to require PURPLE as in the public school system.
The larger the grind stone of failure the finer the flour for future success,
Kent
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 13, 2009 01:45PM |
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Well ... ah .... Kent ...
I can't help wishin' you'd swap scopes on those guns .....
Gary
I can't help wishin' you'd swap scopes on those guns .....
Gary
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 13, 2009 04:05PM |
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Actually, to clarify the intended scoring system: I designed this game so that "caliber" was a disadvantage. It was my intention to have the "entire bullet" inside the lines. The "white areas" are deceptive. They look pretty large ... however; some of the areas of white are not large enough for full caliber holes. So; part of the game is to judge the area (within that white pattern) that is large enough to contain the full width of your caliber, and still not touch the shaded area or outside box line.
Now; on the previous game, the intended goal allowed you to "cut the line" so long as you took out a portion of the interior "white area". On that game, caliber was to your advantage.
This is the reason I mentioned and showed the calipers last time. You can always find the center of the hole you shot. However; various projectiles don't leave a clear indication of where the exterior of the shot extends to. Shoot a round nose projectile, and you get a ragged hole. Shoot a oiled ball, and get a ghost ring of where the oil darkened the exterior of the hole as the ball squeezed thru. Shoot a dry ball, and get a smaller exterior "smear", where the lead darkened the paper - but not so wide as oil would have left. Shoot on different paper, and have the ball push it aside more, or less, than with another paper. However; the center of the hole is always clear.
So; as the directions state, use the center of your bullet hole as the starting point. Then measure one half of your given caliber, to show where the edge of your projectile passed. On the previous target ... if that half of the projectile cut the line and took white paper inside ... you got the point. On this game, if the outside of your projectile is not totally free of the line ... you loose the point.
Last time caliber was an advantage. This time, it's been designed in as a problem. Makes it harder than it looks.
Gary
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2009 04:09PM by barnespneumatic.
Now; on the previous game, the intended goal allowed you to "cut the line" so long as you took out a portion of the interior "white area". On that game, caliber was to your advantage.
This is the reason I mentioned and showed the calipers last time. You can always find the center of the hole you shot. However; various projectiles don't leave a clear indication of where the exterior of the shot extends to. Shoot a round nose projectile, and you get a ragged hole. Shoot a oiled ball, and get a ghost ring of where the oil darkened the exterior of the hole as the ball squeezed thru. Shoot a dry ball, and get a smaller exterior "smear", where the lead darkened the paper - but not so wide as oil would have left. Shoot on different paper, and have the ball push it aside more, or less, than with another paper. However; the center of the hole is always clear.
So; as the directions state, use the center of your bullet hole as the starting point. Then measure one half of your given caliber, to show where the edge of your projectile passed. On the previous target ... if that half of the projectile cut the line and took white paper inside ... you got the point. On this game, if the outside of your projectile is not totally free of the line ... you loose the point.
Last time caliber was an advantage. This time, it's been designed in as a problem. Makes it harder than it looks.
Gary
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2009 04:09PM by barnespneumatic.
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 14, 2009 02:36PM |
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Oh Great! So ... let me get this straight. You've got this scope that you've been fooling with the objective lens on. 
And, at ten yards, the reticle moves around with the slightest head movement. AND, the thing is only 6X ... And, you turn in your target shot with MY GUN ... that has more red Xs on it, than my 3rd grade math test ...
WHAT .... did I EVER do to YOU????
Gary
And, at ten yards, the reticle moves around with the slightest head movement. AND, the thing is only 6X ... And, you turn in your target shot with MY GUN ... that has more red Xs on it, than my 3rd grade math test ...
WHAT .... did I EVER do to YOU????
Gary
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 16, 2009 01:14AM |
So, I left some room for improvement. From what I see I have the top 2 scores on this target. I also did a little hobby craft to get the Korean pellets closer to useful. Who knows maybe even good? Who can guess what this is?
Now at the outset I let everyone know that I am not a big bench rest shooter. You can interpret that as, I lack consistent form. I am also getting to know this rifle and will find my/it's sweet spot with a little time at the bench. I wouldn't compare the Rendezvous with the Falcon as the recoil for the Falcon is nonexistant, so is the power. This allows for lots of inconsistancy in hold. This is also where a bench rifles wgt begins to be a factor in allowing some forgiveness in hold as it reduces the recoil. For those of you who have held the Rendezvous 25, you know how light a sporter it is. I could come up with a lot more excuses but I'd rather shoot some more and get rid of them. Besides this is where the hobby gets personal. Fitting the gun to you and finding what combo works best. Maybe even something you've modified to make it yours.
Kent
I also did a little hobby craft to get the Korean pellets closer to useful. Who knows maybe even good? Who can guess what this is?
Now at the outset I let everyone know that I am not a big bench rest shooter. You can interpret that as, I lack consistent form. I am also getting to know this rifle and will find my/it's sweet spot with a little time at the bench. I wouldn't compare the Rendezvous with the Falcon as the recoil for the Falcon is nonexistant, so is the power. This allows for lots of inconsistancy in hold. This is also where a bench rifles wgt begins to be a factor in allowing some forgiveness in hold as it reduces the recoil. For those of you who have held the Rendezvous 25, you know how light a sporter it is. I could come up with a lot more excuses but I'd rather shoot some more and get rid of them. Besides this is where the hobby gets personal. Fitting the gun to you and finding what combo works best. Maybe even something you've modified to make it yours.
Kent
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 16, 2009 02:38PM |
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Oh, oh!!! I know what it is!!!
We're all in trouble now!!!
I'll let someone else guess.
Gee Kent .. I was only funnin' you for using your little jacked-up 6X scope ... ... after I get all the grief for my optical choices ...
We're all in trouble now!!!
I'll let someone else guess.
Gee Kent .. I was only funnin' you for using your little jacked-up 6X scope ...
... after I get all the grief for my optical choices ...
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 16, 2009 02:52PM |
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And, see ... I told you ya needed a lathe. hahaha.
Did you use that John Deere advertizing knife?
Gary
Did you use that John Deere advertizing knife?
Gary
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 16, 2009 11:06PM |
I didn't use the John Deere steel as the blade was not the right size, so I used some AL oxide impregnated paper to smoth the transition between bits and to finalize the last .001 I think it will do the trick. It's even more convienient than a compound finger eater.
For dimensional reasons the 24x scope doesn't fit correctly for this gun. I'll get the scope to work far past my potential. Just need some more bench time.
Kent
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/17/2009 09:55PM by Cajun Justice.
For dimensional reasons the 24x scope doesn't fit correctly for this gun. I'll get the scope to work far past my potential. Just need some more bench time.
Kent
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/17/2009 09:55PM by Cajun Justice.
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 16, 2009 11:17PM |
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Yeah - I know. I'm just pulling your chain. A good shot, like yourself, is a terrible thing to waste though.
Yeah - my finger healed up fine. Just a bit of an odd feeling there. Finger print returning and all. See ...
Gary
Yeah - my finger healed up fine. Just a bit of an odd feeling there. Finger print returning and all. See ...
Gary
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 17, 2009 12:29AM |
Well here is my target I scored it as a 26 but according to Gary's directions it could have been a 27. On the 3rd line of targets I had the pellet fall out when I closed the breach, I didn't notice it until I dry fired the gun. I missed the next couple of shots until I re-zeroed, those dry fires are nasty on a springer. I shot this using a RWS Panther 34 with a Macarri Spring kit and seal that I installed. It is shooting the 14.3 grain CP pellets at 725 fps.
Anyway I feel pretty good about the whole thing, I shot standing up rested against the porch post.
Anyway I feel pretty good about the whole thing, I shot standing up rested against the porch post.
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 17, 2009 12:37AM |
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 17, 2009 02:35AM |
Nice shooting Joe! That's the first springer in the comp. Hey you springers out there, Joe just set the mark for the rest of us. I may have to pick up my RX 1 and embarass myself. Joe it shows you have spent some time with your RWS. Good to have you shooting with us.
Kent
Good to have you shooting with us.
Kent
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 17, 2009 02:14PM |
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Nice target Joe,
Good job.
I'm glad you shot the target.
Thanks for the post.
Gary
Good job.
I'm glad you shot the target.
Thanks for the post.
Gary
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 17, 2009 10:39PM |
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Good man. That's the stuff! Stiff upper lip - what!
Gary
Stiff upper lip - what!
Gary
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 19, 2009 09:33PM |
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The snow slowed down long enough to shoot a target. I was on the phone with Gary and shooting as fast as I could to get all the shots in before dark. Came out well I'd say! 
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 21, 2009 12:36AM |
Great Shooting Jerry! Thanks for playing. I know you've got lots to do with all that snow and Christmas right around the corner.
Those look small for the Woodsman, what were you shooting?
I feel like sliding something into the Chief Justice. I have a couple of barrel inserts that need to be "aired" out. Do you have any thoughts on the next target?
Stay warm,
Kent
Those look small for the Woodsman, what were you shooting?
I feel like sliding something into the Chief Justice. I have a couple of barrel inserts that need to be "aired" out. Do you have any thoughts on the next target?
Stay warm,
Kent
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 21, 2009 10:48PM |
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 22, 2009 07:13PM |
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So .. you're talking hunert yard stuff now ... yeah?
Gary
Gary
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Dealer's Choice #3 December 22, 2009 08:11PM |
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OK boys, let's see how this works! I've drawn up a target that is unlikely to allow any perfect scores. As with the rest of the dealers choice targets, this is to be shot at 10 yards (Gary, you can take the war wagon out for the 100 yard try ).
Cowboy target pdf.pdf
BTW, the target prints correct for me at 100% scaling. The "2" ring is 1/2" and the "1" ring is 3/4" if you need to adjust your printer.
Enjoy!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/22/2009 08:14PM by Jerry.
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Cowboy target pdf.pdf
BTW, the target prints correct for me at 100% scaling. The "2" ring is 1/2" and the "1" ring is 3/4" if you need to adjust your printer.
Enjoy!
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Re: Dealer's Choice #3 December 22, 2009 09:44PM |
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In case opening a .pdf file is a problem, the target looks like this:
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Re: Dealer's Choice #3 December 23, 2009 02:23AM |
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Hey - Chirp Chirp Jerry! 
Great work. Fun looking target. I'll get my sling shot out and try it.
I appreciate all the work you went to to think it up, and design it out. I have to work with a pencil ... looks like you've got your computer trained to draw what you think. Good job!
Gary
Great work. Fun looking target. I'll get my sling shot out and try it.
I appreciate all the work you went to to think it up, and design it out. I have to work with a pencil ... looks like you've got your computer trained to draw what you think. Good job!
Gary
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Re: Dealer's Choice #3 December 23, 2009 08:03PM |
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Yeah, the computer always does exactly what I want it to! I'm actually happy that I got to use PowerPoint for something besides work!
I'm actually happy that I got to use PowerPoint for something besides work!
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 23, 2009 03:10PM |
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 23, 2009 03:23PM |
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I saw a pre-view. I was shocked that he didn't look the same as when he saved that ship from terrorists ... Must be the make-up ...
So ... you're saying he already shot Jerry's target???
Gary
Must be the make-up ...
So ... you're saying he already shot Jerry's target???
Gary
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 24, 2009 02:33AM |
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Dealer's Choice #3 December 23, 2009 08:12PM |
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OK boys, I just had Chris set up the target in the snow at the end of the tape measure (since my reference is obscured). I'm pretty pleased with this target!
I had to do some maintenance on the Monsoon (.22) and that made it a natural choice for this target. That and the fact that it gets lots of shots off one fill, is quiet and as a semi-auto I could get the target shot without having the door wide open for very long! It didn't take very long to get sighted in despite having the "gen5" Leapers that has those crappy turrets.
The shot at the top left actually just nicks the gray part of the match above the line. Looks like you boys are shooting for a tie! Get to it!
I had to do some maintenance on the Monsoon (.22) and that made it a natural choice for this target. That and the fact that it gets lots of shots off one fill, is quiet and as a semi-auto I could get the target shot without having the door wide open for very long! It didn't take very long to get sighted in despite having the "gen5" Leapers that has those crappy turrets.
The shot at the top left actually just nicks the gray part of the match above the line. Looks like you boys are shooting for a tie! Get to it!
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 24, 2009 03:50AM |
Good shooting Jerry! Sorry you had to rush and couldn't enjoy the fine target you produced.
Gary, Seagal does look genuine. What cinches it for me, is his fellow officers seem to appreciate his participation. He takes the lead on getting the bad guys faces in the dirt. Opps, alleged bad guys.
I've got to try this target with a pistol, just like the big guy. Do you think Julio will mind it I start screwing with his objective on the Hoss? Oh well, it will be a lot easier to pull the butt off the Chaparral.
Kent
Gary, Seagal does look genuine. What cinches it for me, is his fellow officers seem to appreciate his participation. He takes the lead on getting the bad guys faces in the dirt. Opps, alleged bad guys.
I've got to try this target with a pistol, just like the big guy. Do you think Julio will mind it I start screwing with his objective on the Hoss? Oh well, it will be a lot easier to pull the butt off the Chaparral.
Kent
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 24, 2009 02:21PM |
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Hi Kent,
Yeah ... I watched a couple of more episodes ... must have been a marathon. And, I thought the same thing. He actually seemed humble each time he was recognized. Gave alot of respect to his fellow folks. And, was helping out the people still cleaning up after Katrina. Ya never know - but it seemed genuine.
Hey ... use the 45/25 choke attachment on the Hoss. Then you can just shoot Kodiaks. haha.
Gary
Yeah ... I watched a couple of more episodes ... must have been a marathon. And, I thought the same thing. He actually seemed humble each time he was recognized. Gave alot of respect to his fellow folks. And, was helping out the people still cleaning up after Katrina. Ya never know - but it seemed genuine.
Hey ... use the 45/25 choke attachment on the Hoss.
Then you can just shoot Kodiaks. haha.
Gary
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 26, 2009 05:57PM |
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Well - there ya go ... we got a BIG WINNER!!!!! What color teddy bear do you want Sonny??
Good for you.
I might have the ability to make holes in paper after while. I stuck a 25 barrel on that ball reservoir gun. And now ... I can't find the fill probe! hahah. Hid it again, I guess. We'll see.
Thanks.
Gary
Good for you.
I might have the ability to make holes in paper after while. I stuck a 25 barrel on that ball reservoir gun. And now ... I can't find the fill probe! hahah. Hid it again, I guess. We'll see.
Thanks.
Gary
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Re: Target - Scan PDF ... Dealer's Choice #2 December 27, 2009 12:24PM |
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Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 05, 2009 01:26AM |
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I thought, perhaps; it might be nice to have a clean slate for the targets to be posted. That way, we won't be chasing back thru all the previous posts all of the time. If you don't like this format, let me know.
Today is 12-4-09. Time to start posting the first "Dealer's Choice" game targets. Hope you enjoy following along. And, please join us in the shooting games this winter!
Gary
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2009 02:05AM by barnespneumatic.
Today is 12-4-09. Time to start posting the first "Dealer's Choice" game targets. Hope you enjoy following along. And, please join us in the shooting games this winter!
Gary
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2009 02:05AM by barnespneumatic.
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 05, 2009 01:54AM |
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I shot the game twice. I used my 32 Barnes Appaloosa. It's a 32 caliber carbine. The first round, I attached a Burris Signature 8 by 32 (which I'd nearly forgotten I had) in a case in the shop. Years ago, I'd thought it was damaged, and stored it. However; it did very well for me. The first mount, it wouldn't adjust for elevation at 10 yards. I found that the intersection of the vertical crosshairs post, and the very bottom of the curve of the scope, was just on at 32X. I shot the first game that way ... with 32 buckshot. However; that was a screwy way to aim ... and surely left room for error.
Total Score: 54
I decided to fiddle with the scope, and shimmed the mount. I also swapped out the front barrel clamp of the gun. In that way, I could put the crosshairs "on" at 10 yards. Since the 32 buckshot make a very small ragged hole, I used a dial caliper (set at half of my caliber ... .320" divided by 2 = .160") .... and checked the worst shot. The edge of caliber was well inside the white on the second 1.7 cm circle). However; it didn't make a pretty target. I decided that, since I could now adjust the scope properly; I'd cast some of my 70.9 grain WC slugs. I shot the second set of targets with the same gun, same scope, same set-up, but with these Wadcutters - and now with the scope crosshairs properly on target.
Total Score: 54
Fun game. Hope to see lots more targets!
Gary
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Total Score: 54
I decided to fiddle with the scope, and shimmed the mount. I also swapped out the front barrel clamp of the gun. In that way, I could put the crosshairs "on" at 10 yards. Since the 32 buckshot make a very small ragged hole, I used a dial caliper (set at half of my caliber ... .320" divided by 2 = .160") .... and checked the worst shot. The edge of caliber was well inside the white on the second 1.7 cm circle). However; it didn't make a pretty target. I decided that, since I could now adjust the scope properly; I'd cast some of my 70.9 grain WC slugs. I shot the second set of targets with the same gun, same scope, same set-up, but with these Wadcutters - and now with the scope crosshairs properly on target.
Total Score: 54
Fun game. Hope to see lots more targets!
Gary
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2009 02:02AM by barnespneumatic.
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 05, 2009 01:56AM |
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 05, 2009 02:37AM |
As promised here are my targets for the first deal. With this first round I used the Chaparral 25 with Kodiak pellets. For convience I line fed it from the regulator at 2600 psi. Here are the first 27 shots. I used the printed numbers on the larger circles for an aim point.
This is the second shot with this gun.
Here is the Chap with final Target which scored a 54.
For my second gun I used Kelli's Victory 32 in it's pistol format. This time 0 buck was used. Here is the first round.
The second shot shows several doubles. I scored this a 50
Here is the Vic 32 as a pistol. Gary will note the offiical bench bag filled with about $30 of shot. It quickly got too hard and had to be fluffed for accuracy.
Ok, Let's see yours,
Kent
This is the second shot with this gun.
Here is the Chap with final Target which scored a 54.
For my second gun I used Kelli's Victory 32 in it's pistol format. This time 0 buck was used. Here is the first round.
The second shot shows several doubles. I scored this a 50
Here is the Vic 32 as a pistol. Gary will note the offiical bench bag filled with about $30 of shot. It quickly got too hard and had to be fluffed for accuracy.
Ok, Let's see yours,
Kent
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 05, 2009 03:12AM |
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Here you go.
I almost blew it on the 2.0 ring but managed to sneak by. Looks like we need a tougher game! Of course if anybody deals offhand, I'll just have to find someone to shoot for me!
I almost blew it on the 2.0 ring but managed to sneak by. Looks like we need a tougher game!
Of course if anybody deals offhand, I'll just have to find someone to shoot for me!
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 05, 2009 02:15PM |
Great shooting Guys! With this setup I figured everybody would get a chance to put some in the scoring ring. I also thought it would give the shooters a chance to refine their technique before the most challenging shots.
Jerry, your top row 20 shots would all be touching, but you wouldn't want to throw the "flyers" from row 4 in there and mess it up. Can't tell from this if those are first or second round shots or both? Looks like we all picked the numbers on the larger circles as an aim point, great minds!
I on the other hand blew my last shots on the small targets big time. Can you say CHOKE!
BTW, Jerry do you have a card in your camera, what size?
Kent
Jerry, your top row 20 shots would all be touching, but you wouldn't want to throw the "flyers" from row 4 in there and mess it up. Can't tell from this if those are first or second round shots or both? Looks like we all picked the numbers on the larger circles as an aim point, great minds!
I on the other hand blew my last shots on the small targets big time. Can you say CHOKE!
BTW, Jerry do you have a card in your camera, what size?
Kent
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 06, 2009 01:26AM |
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 06, 2009 01:00PM |
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Hey Guys ... seems we managed to shut down the entire website. Not a peep from anyone. No targets. No comments. Not even a tag onto Kent's Happy Birthday wish.
I think we should go back to the cooking show. That was roaring along pretty good!
Hey ... Kelly surprised me with a 55th Birthday Party yesterday! What a nice surprise. We had a houseful of folks who braved the snow, and surprised me. Jerry even drove up 2 1/2 hours to attend. I really appreciated it. Great day. Kelly had sold me on the idea that we were having a party to celebrate our Son's USAF promotion. It was a complex scheme, which supposedly had "his wife" hide "his" keys ... so I needed to go rescue him. Long story ... but they got me out of the house driving around for an hour, while everybody arrived. hahahaha. Great time.
Gary
I think we should go back to the cooking show. That was roaring along pretty good!
Hey ... Kelly surprised me with a 55th Birthday Party yesterday! What a nice surprise. We had a houseful of folks who braved the snow, and surprised me. Jerry even drove up 2 1/2 hours to attend. I really appreciated it. Great day. Kelly had sold me on the idea that we were having a party to celebrate our Son's USAF promotion. It was a complex scheme, which supposedly had "his wife" hide "his" keys ... so I needed to go rescue him. Long story ... but they got me out of the house driving around for an hour, while everybody arrived. hahahaha. Great time.
Gary
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 06, 2009 08:29PM |
So that's where you guy were! I thought you left the country.
Thanks Jerry for the info, did you guess why I might ask, ssshhhh...it's a secret.
We, meaning the 3 participants, need to post this weeks deal. If anyone else wants to join in latter they can pull up a chair anytime. So which one of you is next? Or did you already post it somewhere?.
Just waiting for one of you to say....DRAW!!!
Gary, with Kelly being that tricky, I now know why you work from home. If she had 8 hours to plan something, you might return home to an empty lot!
Kent
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/06/2009 08:33PM by Cajun Justice.
Thanks Jerry for the info, did you guess why I might ask, ssshhhh...it's a secret.
We, meaning the 3 participants, need to post this weeks deal. If anyone else wants to join in latter they can pull up a chair anytime. So which one of you is next? Or did you already post it somewhere?.
Just waiting for one of you to say....DRAW!!!
Gary, with Kelly being that tricky, I now know why you work from home. If she had 8 hours to plan something, you might return home to an empty lot!
Kent
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/06/2009 08:33PM by Cajun Justice.
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 07, 2009 03:51PM |
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OK ... give me today, and I'll cook up some next round contest.
Seems my temporary custody of an Appaloosa has ended. It's headed out to a ledger customer.
I might have to come up with a contest where we use blow pipes. Hummm ... that could work.
Gary
Seems my temporary custody of an Appaloosa has ended. It's headed out to a ledger customer.
I might have to come up with a contest where we use blow pipes. Hummm ... that could work.
Gary
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 07, 2009 05:19AM |
I'm still interested in what's going on. Of course, it's going to be hard to maintain that interest level in the next couple days, on account of us leaving for Maui for a week. That might just distract me a bit, for some reason.
Gotta go make some home-brew vitamin D, you know.
Gotta go make some home-brew vitamin D, you know.
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 07, 2009 01:53PM |
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MAUI!!!!
NOW who's busted?
"Oh ... I just LOVE the months of darkness and 50 below zero ...." hahaha.
Hope you have a great time. Enjoy a sunset for me!
Gary
NOW who's busted?
"Oh ... I just LOVE the months of darkness and 50 below zero ...." hahaha.
Hope you have a great time. Enjoy a sunset for me!
Gary
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 07, 2009 03:23PM |
MAUI !
WOWIE!
I've been there a few times and it is awesome - especially during the winter here!!!
Happy Birthday Gary - I thought you weren't counting anymore.....
I am delinquent in shooting my target, but I will hopefully get to it this week - have to get a pellet trap going !
WOWIE!
I've been there a few times and it is awesome - especially during the winter here!!!
Happy Birthday Gary - I thought you weren't counting anymore.....
I am delinquent in shooting my target, but I will hopefully get to it this week - have to get a pellet trap going !
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 07, 2009 03:38PM |
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 07, 2009 03:46PM |
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Kent,
Hey - don't go too soft on JoeBill. He's got a BARN on his place there. Unless it's one of those 8 by 8 "Barn Kits" from Lowes ... ... I suspect he's got ten yards inside. And, he made the round for duct seal about six months ago. Oh ... we're watching him like a HAWK!!
Gary
Hey - don't go too soft on JoeBill. He's got a BARN on his place there. Unless it's one of those 8 by 8 "Barn Kits" from Lowes ...
... I suspect he's got ten yards inside. And, he made the round for duct seal about six months ago. Oh ... we're watching him like a HAWK!!
Gary
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 08, 2009 01:06AM |
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 08, 2009 01:33AM |
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Well, I don't want you to freeze. ;?)
Hey - you remember the Hawaian Volc. referred to in the movie "Finding Nemo?" haha. Clever but disgusting. However; I can never get it out of my mind when Hawaii is mentioned.
OK ... enjoy Christmas. I don't want you to miss it driving around to Home Depots and then freezing in the cold barn. You're off the hook.
Gary
Hey - you remember the Hawaian Volc. referred to in the movie "Finding Nemo?" haha. Clever but disgusting. However; I can never get it out of my mind when Hawaii is mentioned.
OK ... enjoy Christmas. I don't want you to miss it driving around to Home Depots and then freezing in the cold barn. You're off the hook.
Gary
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 08, 2009 07:23AM |
Yes, I'll admit that it's a dramatic change from our normal wintertime routine...but I'm willing to adapt.
Actually, here in the southeast panhandle we have a pretty mild winter by Alaska standards. We've got AT LEAST 20 minutes more daylight at the solstice than they do in Anchorage; heck, that's almost up to 6 hours a day. It hardly ever gets into the negatives temperature-wise, and when it does it's usually for well less than a month. Often, in early winter it stops snowing and just rains instead. Not much good for the cross-country ski crowd, but as the locals say "you don't have to shovel rain".
Actually, here in the southeast panhandle we have a pretty mild winter by Alaska standards. We've got AT LEAST 20 minutes more daylight at the solstice than they do in Anchorage; heck, that's almost up to 6 hours a day. It hardly ever gets into the negatives temperature-wise, and when it does it's usually for well less than a month. Often, in early winter it stops snowing and just rains instead. Not much good for the cross-country ski crowd, but as the locals say "you don't have to shovel rain".
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 08, 2009 08:07PM |
Just so you know, I'm not making (too many) excuses -hehe
I WILL shoot the target, probably in my basement, but it may be a week or so and you may all have moved on !
Besides, it's not like I can beat a 54.....
I WILL shoot the target, probably in my basement, but it may be a week or so and you may all have moved on !
Besides, it's not like I can beat a 54.....
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 08, 2009 10:25PM |
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Well, I suspected you have 10 yards in your guest bathroom ... ... and we've all SEEN that fancy blue stock on your small bore gun. I was just "trying" to be nice. (I practice once in awhile ... ... hahha.
Gary
... and we've all SEEN that fancy blue stock on your small bore gun. I was just "trying" to be nice. (I practice once in awhile ... ... hahha.
Gary
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 08, 2009 11:17PM |
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 09, 2009 02:42AM |
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here December 09, 2009 01:47PM |
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Well Joebill ... AND ... the added benefit is that, by doing that, you probably "created or saved" at least fifty jobs! Good Green!
OK ... the targets will be comin' in now!! Yippie!!!
Gary
OK ... the targets will be comin' in now!! Yippie!!!
Gary
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 07, 2010 09:28PM |
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Shot 'yer target today Jerry.
Used the ball reservoir gun. That ball on the bottom doesn't make for the best "bench" gun. Especially since I had the fill line just running thru a hole in the table. But, or course, if I moved anything and the fill line touched the side of the hole ... it altered the recoil pattern. So, I decided to just run it off the ball. Plenty of air ... just wasn't thinking about it before.
Anyway ... it was better, but the 4X scope mounted at twice it's eye relief isn't ideal.
Good target, if you have big glass.
Gary
Used the ball reservoir gun. That ball on the bottom doesn't make for the best "bench" gun. Especially since I had the fill line just running thru a hole in the table. But, or course, if I moved anything and the fill line touched the side of the hole ... it altered the recoil pattern. So, I decided to just run it off the ball. Plenty of air ... just wasn't thinking about it before.
Anyway ... it was better, but the 4X scope mounted at twice it's eye relief isn't ideal.
Good target, if you have big glass.
Gary
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 08, 2010 04:26AM |
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Good shooting Gary. That set-up certainly isn't the best for this kind of shooting. The right half of the target is just perfect though!
Yeah, I made this target just to force you to buy a serious scope! Now That would look great over a ball reservoir.
Yeah, I made this target just to force you to buy a serious scope!
Now That would look great over a ball reservoir.
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 08, 2010 01:46PM |
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Yes, something was effecting me when on the left side of the target. The half white, half darkness of the bullet trap didn't allow me to center the scope well. For some reason, the right side was better, even though it had the same disadvantage on the opposite side of the scope.
Good target for atom smashers!
Haven't seen the next "deal" yet. Wonder what's coming.
To the rest of the world ... you're missing all the fun ya know.
Gary
Good target for atom smashers!
Haven't seen the next "deal" yet. Wonder what's coming.
To the rest of the world ... you're missing all the fun ya know.
Gary
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 08, 2010 08:55PM |
Gary
that is very good with that set-up! The right side really IS dead on!
I thought I took a picture of my target...but I guess I didn't !
I subsequently shot it up some more with a .177 pistol, so a picture now won't help much
Anyway, I scored a 54: my bottom row was perfect - 30
top row scored 5,2,5,5,2,5
using 9x scope with a "normal" mount - haha
I think this was a tough target, and one where larger caliber (i used .22) would HELP one, rather than hurt due to the scoring rules
that is very good with that set-up! The right side really IS dead on!
I thought I took a picture of my target...but I guess I didn't !
I subsequently shot it up some more with a .177 pistol, so a picture now won't help much
Anyway, I scored a 54: my bottom row was perfect - 30
top row scored 5,2,5,5,2,5
using 9x scope with a "normal" mount - haha
I think this was a tough target, and one where larger caliber (i used .22) would HELP one, rather than hurt due to the scoring rules
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 08, 2010 10:05PM |
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Hmmmm... no picture. I guess we're going to have to make up a checklist for you. Or, for you medical types, a pre-op procedure!
I guess we're going to have to make up a checklist for you. Or, for you medical types, a pre-op procedure!
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 11, 2010 09:15PM |
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 12, 2010 12:04AM |
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Here ya go Jerry! Best we can do ...
Gary
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 13, 2010 11:40PM |
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 13, 2010 11:46PM |
Better late than never.
Well not exactly. If you'll notice the date this was shot when it was still warm here, Christmas eve...and then I read the small print at the bottom and realized how poor this effort was. 
I thought it was a decent attempt but only the top half of the center ring really counts. Cut me some slack though, I shot it as a pistol.
Match shoot.pdf
Jerry this is a tough target, weeds out the wanabes, like me.
Kent
The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Well not exactly. If you'll notice the date this was shot when it was still warm here, Christmas eve...and then I read the small print at the bottom and realized how poor this effort was. I thought it was a decent attempt but only the top half of the center ring really counts. Cut me some slack though, I shot it as a pistol.
Match shoot.pdf
Jerry this is a tough target, weeds out the wanabes, like me.
Kent
The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese.
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 13, 2010 11:56PM |
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Some guys...you tell them to use the most stable bench etc. and they whip out a pistol! 
We seem to be short a dealer around here. Short on shooters too. I guess I might have to find some bishops and shoot this target again if the weather holds.
We seem to be short a dealer around here. Short on shooters too. I guess I might have to find some bishops and shoot this target again if the weather holds.
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 14, 2010 12:32AM |
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Great - now I have to convert 
the ball reservoir rifle combo to a pistol!
(Jerry - I actually found a use for the chainsaw smilie.... hahah).
Gary
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/14/2010 12:33AM by barnespneumatic.
the ball reservoir rifle combo to a pistol!
(Jerry - I actually found a use for the chainsaw smilie.... hahah).
Gary
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/14/2010 12:33AM by barnespneumatic.
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 14, 2010 12:34AM |
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Second mouse ... love it.
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 16, 2010 07:59AM |
A couple houses ago I ended up ripping out the crappy tile floor on a poorly built remodel, the usual "fast and sloppy" work you see done on a lot of houses. As a result we had the house open to the crawl space for a week or so, and after the first couple of days we started finding little "presents" in the kitchen. The mice had discovered that they liked the food better upstairs, and we'd just made their commute much easier.
Long story short, it turns out that if the mice are dumb enough, it's more like the sixth or seventh mouse that gets the cheese.
Long story short, it turns out that if the mice are dumb enough, it's more like the sixth or seventh mouse that gets the cheese.
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 23, 2010 02:46PM |
Hi Shooters,
Just a quick post to clear up the sticks description and some targets.
Kyle with Kelli's Victory 32.
Top of the fancy shooting sticks
Bases of the sticks. Had a little epoxy I added to the studs but not necc.
This is actually the second round with the sticks. Both rounds shot with 72gn slugs from Surefire casting, thanks guys!
Here's off hand. Not bad, scope was maxed out at 16x shooting one mildot above crosshair at 10 yds
See ya,
Kent
Just a quick post to clear up the sticks description and some targets.
Kyle with Kelli's Victory 32.
Top of the fancy shooting sticks
Bases of the sticks. Had a little epoxy I added to the studs but not necc.
This is actually the second round with the sticks. Both rounds shot with 72gn slugs from Surefire casting, thanks guys!
Here's off hand. Not bad, scope was maxed out at 16x shooting one mildot above crosshair at 10 yds
See ya,
Kent
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 23, 2010 03:05PM |
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Hi Kent,
Thanks for the post.
Hey - I was thinking ... you need to add Kyle and Miss Emily, perhaps Amanda into our target shooting games. I know we'd see some competition. And ... oh ... don't you have a wife who shoots too? haha. I know, I know ... she's waiting for her 45 ...
Thanks for the post.
Hey - I was thinking ... you need to add Kyle and Miss Emily, perhaps Amanda into our target shooting games. I know we'd see some competition. And ... oh ... don't you have a wife who shoots too?
haha. I know, I know ... she's waiting for her 45 ...
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 23, 2010 03:17PM |
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Thought I'd also post the next target for shooting here.
[www.glbarnes.com]
Hope some more of you join us. It's even more fun to shoot airguns, than to read about other people shooting airguns.
Gary
[www.glbarnes.com]
Hope some more of you join us. It's even more fun to shoot airguns, than to read about other people shooting airguns.
Gary
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Re: Winter 09/10 Game Targets (and discussion) Posted Here January 26, 2010 06:32PM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! January 30, 2014 10:48PM |
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Re: Dealer's Choice! Winter Forum Fun - Run what ya brung! January 31, 2014 12:23AM |
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Hi Jerry,
Yeah. There's a key there that I just can't find. Imagine a magazine called "Sky Dive" for those who never do. There's "Golfing Today" for those without clubs . "SAIL" for those who will not leave the pier. .
Boy - it's gonna cost me a fortune to send back all these guns I went and collected before my move .... 
Yeah. There's a key there that I just can't find. Imagine a magazine called "Sky Dive" for those who never do. There's "Golfing Today" for those without clubs . "SAIL" for those who will not leave the pier. .
Boy - it's gonna cost me a fortune to send back all these guns I went and collected before my move ...
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